file Triton 1 Question - Internal DSP - High Pass Filter Beyond Tuning Point?

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Kamate Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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I know the Triton Ones have an internal DSP for the subwoofer section, at least I remember reading that.

My question is whether or not that system has any sort of a high pass filter “to cut frequencies too low for them to safely play”, given the limitations of physics. My hope is that they do, internally already have something like this. I am trying to integrate them with larger Rythmik FV18s that can play lower and louder (again physics).

I would love to be able to let the Rythmiks play down to 12 hz at full volume, without fear of the same LFE signal damaging the Triton 1s that in my room seem to drop off right above 20 hz (which is still super impressive by the way for a tower).

Just figured I would ask, otherwise I am going to have to get overly creative trying to figure out how to get some protection for the Tritons, which I don’t want to blow, with some sort of a post Dirac Bass Control HPF (Not Easy to setup).

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rjohn79395 Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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Hi, Kamate

Moderator Dude may wish to comment on this...adding other subs to a system is fairly common, so adding Rhythmic FV18's should be no problem, and no need to change any of the T1 LFE or gain settings. Adding the subs does not change the LFE feeds to the T1's at all. There are several options to control, set the Rhythmic sub gains so as not to disturb the T1's setting or performance. First, the Rhythmics have their own gain, and other control settings on the back of each so they can be separately adjusted if you need to connect to the same LFE lead via splitters as the T1's. Second, if you have a sub 2 out not used, you can run your LFE leads from that and also use separate gain settings in the receiver or pre you are using.

I'd say go for it without adjusting anything regarding your T1 set up! Also, if you choose, you could disconnect the LFE leads to T1's, set them as small with a minimum crossover of 40 Hz, and let the new subs handle all the bass under 40 HZ. Personally, I'd leave the T1's as large with their current gain settings if you're happy with that.

Hope this helps a bit, and happy listening!

Rick
5.4.4 HT speakers: T Ref fronts/LFE 1, SuperCenter Ref, T1 surrounds/LFE 2, HTR 7000 top fronts, Invisa 525 top rears
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Kamate Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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Yes, my new Pre Pro, the Monolith HTP-1 (which replaced my Marantz 7010) can handle up to 5 independent subwoofer outs (I am using 4), and with its extra feature Dirac Bass Control will integrate all of them automatically with timing delays, eq, level matching, and crossovers (like I used to do manually with a MiniDSP 2x4 HD). Its really quite magical.

The question is really, is the Triton 1 smart enough to not play frequencies below its capability to play which in my room is around 23hz (the subs tuning point). Is the circuitry in the Triton 1 using a High Pass Filter internally to protect them from TOO low a signal trying to be played through them.

It would be great if it already takes this into account, and I don’t have to worry about the Triton 1s exploding and seeing smoke come from the woofers on me if there is too low of bass in a movie I am playing at loud volumes.

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rjohn79395 Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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Guess maybe Moderator has to clarify that. I know I’ve run several combinations of front and surround Tritons including current T Ref fronts, T1 surrounds as large, sub on with LFE leads to all and never had any issue stressing any of the Tritons at any sound level including rafter shaking stuff.

I would venture that if you play as loud as you want now without stressing the T1’s, adding subs shouldn’t change the T1’s playing ability. Just a thought.
5.4.4 HT speakers: T Ref fronts/LFE 1, SuperCenter Ref, T1 surrounds/LFE 2, HTR 7000 top fronts, Invisa 525 top rears
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rjohn79395 Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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One other thought: I suspect the DSP's controlling the Triton bass drivers are pretty good at preventing driver over excursions and stress, as I have run smaller surround Tritons with less deep and powerful bass capabilities than the large front Tritons for years, and never had an issue where the surround Tritons were stressed because of the sound levels, and deeper, more powerful bass levels the fronts were playing at. And both fronts and surrounds played happily at their respective gain settings from the same LFE feeds.

Don't know if that's a high pass filter per se preventing over stress from really low frequency LFE feeds in the smaller Tritons while the larger T Ref's are going deeper with the same feeds, but each speaker model does a great job playing what's in it's frequency range wheelhouse somehow.
5.4.4 HT speakers: T Ref fronts/LFE 1, SuperCenter Ref, T1 surrounds/LFE 2, HTR 7000 top fronts, Invisa 525 top rears
Zone 2 speakers; 2 Invisa 525's
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Moderator Posted 3 months 1 week ago
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Hi Kamate, First, technically, the amplifiers built-into the Triton Ones do not have a built-in subsonic filter. However, the DSP built-into these towers does a great job of controlling any unwanted excursion from both the active subwoofers and the side-firing bass radiators. It's extremely rare to have any excursion issues with the subwoofer section built-into the Triton One towers. With this in mind, I would suggest running these towers as large and connecting the LFE signal to them as well. I'm sure you'll be able to find a great balance of bass output or bass level from these towers as well as your separate subwoofers. Happy Listening!
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