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ArthurDaniels Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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Rick, if I ultimately decide to add a pair of References, I will then have a close duplicate of your setup, with my Ones in the rear and the Refs in front.

But, at the moment, I still have my Ones in front and my Sevens and SuperSat3s in the rear.

I am finding interesting and pleasing results by being able to remotely turn my two external subs off. I have them set up to provide significant extra bass at very low overall listening volume levels. When I am listening at normal room volumes, I turn the subs off and rely upon the bass provided by the Ones, with LFE gain set to between 2:00 PM and 3:00 PM.

If I am listening to music with no pronounced bass content (choral music, string quartet, etc.), I turn the subs off even at low overall volume levels..

Despite all the comments about bass being non-directional, I find that, to my ears and in my P:LP, bass sounds are noticeably directional. I am much more pleased with all bass emanating from the front of the room and I can left and right bass on a number of recordings.

In my case, my musical setup is for music only, so I don't worry about any possible compromises for movie LFE content. My movie sound system shares one of the two subs. via parallel inputs.

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charliehatch Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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ArthurDaniels wrote: Despite all the comments about bass being non-directional, I find that, to my ears and in my P:LP, bass sounds are noticeably directional. I am much more pleased with all bass emanating from the front of the room and I can left and right bass on a number of recordings.


Art, interesting comments about your setup. Thanks.

On bass directionality, I think we cannot identify the source direction of pure ultra low frequency bass tones, but if music has overtones (like a bowed bass string or an organ reed pipe or a tuba), then the overtones will provide directional cues. Then it becomes possible to identify the direction of the source. We are identifying direction based on the harmonic content, not on the fundamental.

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Steveo Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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Hi all

I thought I would chime in here with my Setup. Similar to Wayne with his Dirac system, I have gone down the route of speaker correction and room correction.

I have bought a deqx premate which is basically a dac, preamp, room and speaker corrector all in one box.

Www.deqx.com

Basically you need to measure the speakers in your room to get the speaker profile and to see where there are weaknesses in your room. Deqx provides this service either in person or via Skype.

In short, it can customise your equipment to your room and you can tailor the sound however you like it. Think of it as a very advanced audessey system. Watch the video on the website to see the explanation.

I have it set up under three profiles. One profile is for music. Bass is basically perfect here. Not too boomy, which I could never achieve before the deqx, considering my Triton ones are in an apartment! They are way oversized for the room but this device integrates them perfectly as it tailors it to your room. Bass is tight, controlled and very musical. I can place my T1s close to my walls because the deqx compensates for this placement.

Using the deqx this way gives me total control over two channel in my difficult room.

The second setting is specifically for movies/home theatre. The setting here is perfect for loud explosions and action movies. It's the setting that gives you wall shaking bass with the T1s. I use the deqx with my Yamaha receiver. Yamaha receivers are known to sound good for movies but not so much for music. Using it this way keeps the Yamaha out of the chain for music but uses the Yamaha with all of its setting for movies.

The third setting is basically the movie setting but with the bass dialled way down for late night viewing.

Having the deqx makes switching from music to movies very easy. My sister came over one day and we turned the music on and she said it sounded way too bassy compared to how it was normally. I realised I had the setting for movies and when I switched it back it came alive again and the bass was still there and punchy as ever but without the dreaded bass bloom.

The goldenear range are great because you change change the bass settings on the sub as we all know. I dont touch the subs now as they are perfectly dialled into the deqx with these settings so it makes it easy to switch between the settings at the touch of a button,via the deqx.

Bass is very important and it's hard to balance good bass for moves and music and usually leads to compromises on either one or the other. This neat little device nullifies that. Not cheap of course but I have enjoyed the benefits in my system. I will probably always use this device even with future component upgrades as room correction is very important. It's the heart of my system so to speak. It has an inbuilt dac but you can upgrade your dac down the track. You can use it as a preamp or add an external preamp and it can take all of your digital or analog sources as well.

For people who use their goldenears for both music and movies, I can really recommend the deqx. It's good enough for just the benefits it makes to your music, as it's really a game changer as every room is different. The movie setting is just a bonus but makes a huge difference because if I wanted the high impact bass, the music setting just doesn't do it for me when watching movies, so it's good having the best of both worlds without needing to compromise on either.
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ArthurDaniels Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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After a number of hours of listening to music at various volume settings, I believe I now understand why some you took issue with my comments about lack of bass with my Triton Ones. I have the Ones bass level control set to about 2:00 PM (65% full??). If I play music with bass content at what I call room volume, there is plenty of bass from the Ones and it is very musical bass.

Furthermore, I suspect that my definition of room volume is still much less sound than many of you would call room volume, so you would typically experience even more bass from your Ones or Refs than I am hearing.

In any event, when I turn the volume to a much lower setting for listening when Sheryl is in the room (which is for a couple of hours most mornings as we share our "coffee time"), the bass level falls off rapidly. This is the point where I bring my two external subs into play. I have adjusted them to restore the missing bass at the reduced volume level. I use this approach at other times when low overall listening volume is appropriate.

If I were to leave the subs on when I turn the volume up, the sound would be bloated with too much bass. So, I have a remote power switch sitting at my PLP which allows me to turn them off and on as needed.

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charliehatch Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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Steveo wrote:
I have bought a deqx premate which is basically a dac, preamp, room and speaker corrector all in one box.

Www.deqx.com


Steveo, thanks for the information. I've been studying up on this box. For those interested, Stereophile has a review with measurements posted online.

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charliehatch Posted 2 years 5 months ago
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ArthurDaniels wrote: I have the Ones bass level control set to about 2:00 PM (65% full??). If I play music with bass content at what I call room volume, there is plenty of bass from the Ones and it is very musical bass.

Furthermore, I suspect that my definition of room volume is still much less sound than many of you would call room volume, so you would typically experience even more bass from your Ones or Refs than I am hearing.

In any event, when I turn the volume to a much lower setting for listening when Sheryl is in the room (which is for a couple of hours most mornings as we share our "coffee time"), the bass level falls off rapidly. This is the point where I bring my two external subs into play. I have adjusted them to restore the missing bass at the reduced volume level. I use this approach at other times when low overall listening volume is appropriate.

If I were to leave the subs on when I turn the volume up, the sound would be bloated with too much bass. So, I have a remote power switch sitting at my PLP which allows me to turn them off and on as needed.

Art


Art, it' interesting that you run the bass on your speakers at the 2pm setting. My TRefs (and formerly my T1s) run at just a smidge past 12, and I have found the perceived bass level to be quite sensitive to the bass amp setting. There are probably many differences between our systems and rooms, and ears, but I am curious where you sit in the room. If you don't mind, what are the dimensions of your room, and where is your listening position relative to the front wall?

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